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thank you hey guys welcome back to the live stream tonight we're talking about uh we're
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beginning the electrical part of this uh fan build and what I wanted to do is
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begin by starting with um
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wire sizing so we went ahead and uh let me back up here if you guys are just
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joining us on this part we are building a Ford Transit van and we have already put in the base flooring which is the
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insulation the next part that we're working on is putting in the wood panels
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that we've finished modifying and trimming up to size so they're ready to go actually over here on my right
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if you see those green boards those green boards are have been painted
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and sealed those are going to be the floorboards now depending on what kind of wood you
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use you may not have to seal them I'm just doing it it has a little bit of mold preventative in it but those are
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drying tonight so that's why we did not continue the floor install instead we
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moved to electrical uh while those have been painted and
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are drying right now what I did is I finished wiring the van or pull in The Wire
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so I've pulled everything for the lights above the USB Outlets here everything to power
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our renergy Hub that's going to communicate all the
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battery voltages the DC to DC charger nppt communication that's all been there
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the network cable has been run so we're all good four of our 120 volt
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lines have been ran underneath the floor then we have our Webasto line that's under there we also have our Amber
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awning light that's outside and then we have a couple more things
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we've got uh front Banks lights rear
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and then we have the water pump and
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I think that's about it so what we're going to do is this is a little bit of homework for you guys it's going to be a
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short stream just because I gotta head out here in just a little bit but since it was going to be short this afternoon
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I put together one of the first things that I think is the most important thing to do when you are building the van out
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and you've never done it before and you're new to you know Electrical uh
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cable you know you're just learning about gate gauges of cable you know like
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a 14 gauge 12 gauge that sort of thing wire sizing you know you're learning about fuses all
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kinds of different ones you're you're picking up products that you've never touched before
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it's a 12 volt item so maybe it's kind of confusing because you've worked on household stuff that's 120. so what this
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does this is a good just beginner level way to start
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organizing and understanding if you have things sized appropriately
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and fused appropriately now what I've done is I have not worked
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on this and what's perfect about that is you're going to get to see me do it live and
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it's meant to help you guys understand how to organize the items in your van
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so this is what we're going to do tonight we're going to take all of our this is our components
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right here so our fridge we have our uh Webasto
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let's just type in heater we have our renegie
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hub and let's see let's make these bold
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so we're going to fill this chart out as best as we can tonight and then we're going to take any questions you guys may
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have and uh that's kind of the agenda tonight so we got a fridge heater our energy Hub
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and these are these are all 12 volt
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items so let me highlight that so that you
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guys well not like that
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okay these are all 12 volt items
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let's see fridge heater hub
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and then we're gonna have our Let's see we have our u s B
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uh or USB what do I want to call it fast charge
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and then we have two x so we got two of those
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and then the next thing say we have our front
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lights is there a front interior
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and then we have our rear
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rear interior lights some of this information I don't know
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but that's that's perfect because you guys get to see how I find that
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information out if I don't know it So when you buy the adventure wagon kit
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you don't have a manual that lets you know the voltage rating of or the amperage of the
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overhead lights um okay let's see here next we're going
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to go to see front rear we have our water pump
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see we're missing we're missing one so let's walk over to the van see what we're missing here
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okay we get our front lights our rear lights
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rigid Amber that might be one of them water pump
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rigid Amber fridge rigid Amber
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uh let's see here we're just going to call this our Amber out door
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so this is what we have first we may I'm just put a little nine with the asterisk here there may be an
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additional USB outlet and the reason I want to do this is
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when I planned this van build out I may I probably had six of these items
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but the fast charge the renergy Hub
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in the Amber outdoor light were not in consideration when I size this so that I'm making this chart
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so that I can make sure that our uh we have a Max
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of 60 amps that we can use
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maximum of six amps to use a better way to say it
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so let's make that orange there we go so 12 volt and we have a Max of 60 amps
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to use so we can't go over 60 amps if all of these are running
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together so first up we have the let's just go
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here we're going to do isotherm [Music]
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so I pulled this up the other day
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so we're gonna try to find our
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so I'm doing this so that you guys can figure it out and I'm figuring out at the same time
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so if you need to figure something out just do what I'm doing
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uh so here's something pretty cool this is has to do with the refrigerators
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this is the Elegance model the cruise see if they have a different one for the
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cruise so this is including the cr130 so the
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cruise 130 is what we have okay this is the information we need but let me back up here
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and let me get my big head out of the way
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right here so do you see where it says low voltage protection
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so our 12 volt system this is something to be mindful of
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they they have automatic so isotherm has automatic circuitry inside the fridge
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that will turn it off if the voltage gets below uh these numbers
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so the minimum that you can run it at is uh
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so right here in parentheses I believe that let's see what it says
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if the bridge is removed between C and P the values indicated in the parentheses
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okay so there's some option a bridge so that might be a a wire bridge in the
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circuitry that you can remove or put in there if it's removed you get a little bit of
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a bump or you actually you know it's kind of the minimum voltage is lower
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anyway I'm gonna try to keep this as simple as possible I'm just trying to try not to get in the weeds but essentially the minimum operating
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voltage is 10.9 below that it's not safe to operate your fridge
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uh not danger to you but danger to the fridge and then in the fridge looks like it's
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going to shut down at 9.6 which is really low
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so your system should never get should never ever get this low
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okay next let's go and find out what we were looking for which is the fuse size
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so this is under electrical connections and for the model
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so we're looking up our Endeavor basto Cruise reference manual this is our manual for a fridge cr30 is
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what we have it stands for cruise 130. it says it does include the Elegance
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models so I think there's a cruise Elegance it has to do with it's you know painted
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black or stainless or has the Clean Touch but anyway you're looking for your model number cr130
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and we have cr130 we have a 12 volt system we do not have a 24 volt system so 15 amps
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let's see if there's any more details okay so it says there's a wiring diagram
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so let's go ahead and just capture that information so I'm going to put that in the fuse
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size and the cool thing is I'm going to go back to this when we hook everything up
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if you guys keep along with the series and we can test the operating amps to
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see how close they are and it's kind of nice to do that to understand how the your components work
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you know is this thing operating at like 14.5 like really close to the 15 amps
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um because there's a possibility of a like a nuisance trip like it'll you
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'll uh so maybe going up to like a 20 amp fuse uh highly unlikely but
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that might be more applicable to other products that you have in your van
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so if something keeps tripping um maybe bumping up just a little bit might help it uh
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as long as it's not too high and over the wire size it shouldn't be dangerous
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but you want to start from the manufacturer's recommended fuse size first obviously and then you
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want to go to the next step so while we're here the wire size
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this is installed so wire size in
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in Van this is the wire saw size that you put in the van
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uh I'm just gonna put it installed it sounds weird
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okay so the wire that we have installed I don't have to even look it's a 12 2 wire and we're just going to do 12. so 12
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gauge AWG all right so now
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this one we can keep open we may figure this out later
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so up here we can have let's say 12 AWG
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so what are our Max Amps for a 12 gauge wire so you go over here just type in 12
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um 20 amps right there
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so 12 gauge is 20 amps
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and you let's see here I don't have I need to go to a chart
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and uh then we have this 14 gauge
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and these are wires that we're using
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I think 14 is 15. 15 yep
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so 14 is 15. okay so this is our little
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our little cheat sheet we made right here
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uh actually let's make that green
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it's a little darker green so this is the good stuff up here so if
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we have a 12 gauge wire and we don't uh we want to do
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we make sure that it's equal to
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or less than 20 amps let me see
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I forgot how to not make that a formula let's see here
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let's see if we can do
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I want to not see here
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okay that's what I have to do
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so less than or equal to 15 amps so 15 amps would be the max size
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this is getting this might get kind of confusing I'm trying to make sure that this is understandable for
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okay let's keep this clear the reason that I'm hesitating on this is
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12 gauge 20 amps is the max power that I can go through it but
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to protect the wire from going over 20 you would need a 20 amp fuse if that
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makes sense so explore stat life has something that I
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may plug in there he's got a formula it's like 1.4 times
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okay I'm gonna I'm going to uh I'm gonna put this information that we can get tonight I'm gonna do a little more homework on it so I can teach you guys
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better and then I'll come back and I'll explain this box up here
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but right now we're just doing kind of basic basic stuff so the fridge is 15 amps
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and my point that I was trying to make is the fuse is recommended to be 15 amps so
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our wire sizing is 12 gauge and go up to 20 so we're safe so hopefully you
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understand the 15 amps is less than the 20 which means that the wire sizing is correct
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and safe to use for the fridge that was my point all right so let's go to the heater
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um let's see actually I'm going to go to the uh the fast charge USB it comes with a 10 amp fuse
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and so 10 amp and I'm using
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so see we're good 10 amp less than 15. our 14 gauge 14 15 amp 10.
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uh let's see here the front interior lights
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all right let's see if I can find a little Bitcoin Max
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Luma coin consumption of 2 amps
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yeah it'll probably never get up to two amps but we're gonna put two amps in for
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this one so that's Max
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um so recommend fuse size I'm gonna put this in so we're gonna do five amps
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and then this one is also uh
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14. okay our water pump so
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when you buy your products make sure you keep you know keep all the boxes with you so
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that you can reference what's on the box so we have the sea flow
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I forgot where my camera was sifu slow the sea flow 42 series is what
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we're using this is the specific model number so this is the specific model number
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and then down here we're going to reference it and this one is going to tell us our voltage
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gallons per minute uh PSI
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Max amp draw and demand and bypass what type of switching
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that it has so for this one Max draws 7.5
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it's going to put Max because if you need to you know keep these notes I'm not even showing you guys the screen
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keep these notes because say for example you're having an issue in your van in your troubleshooting
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this will be a good reference guide to know that if you put a multimeter on it and for some reason it's way the water
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pump is way above this amperage it might be
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a sign that it's you know messing up but if it's operating correctly and something else is going on it might not
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be the motor or the circuit it could be just more of the the way that you have it piped or plumbed more like a physical thing
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but since we have 7.5 there um
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let's see all right put a note here need to make
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so I'm gonna see if I can remember to make a fuse calculator that way
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uh I can give you guys something that like if you type it in right here it's going to do the math there's already a few
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size calculator let's see let's see if we can find it
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fuse size calc we're gonna do explores
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because I'm pretty sure he has one yep there it is it's a no affiliation but
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um explore.live has excellent electrical information uh there's a ton of tutorial videos to
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let you go uh you know learn about it uh Nate he's the one that does all the uh
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videos teaches you all this stuff and it looks like they just updated this
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so for example let's say or so we can go here and we can find out let's say our water
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pump is seven point five we're gonna go and type in 7.5
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and then over here we can go and find our wire size so the wire size for the pump
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and I'm actually going to I'm going to switch these
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so let's see here we got 14 gauge okay and our voltage is 12.
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so the recommended fuse size is 10. so let's do a little math here on the
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phone so we got 10 divided by 7 .5
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.13 so I think that's the number
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if the recommendous view size is larger than the max view size the wire size Choice may be too small
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for the amperage demands of the circuit so I think I watched a video to this one right here that completely
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does not make any sense for a 14 gauge anyway so the recommended is 10 so you go up here
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and we'll put in 10 amps
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okay so the fridge we've got
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15 amp 12. and so we need to find out the operating
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amp current I didn't see that in the manual
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okay our rigid light let's check this out
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so here's our rigid light box so let's see if the buck what the
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so the amp draw is 0.64 because it's an LED
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so five recommended few size is five and uh yep that's about typical
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and then we've got 14 gauge wire
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I'm gonna delete the max here
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uh actually no I'll don't do that we'll add these up at the end
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and let's see let's just say we have
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this is our energy Hub communication hub and
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and there's nothing in the box so there's no paperwork or anything like that
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so all we got was The Wire and the Hub so well actually hold on hold on maybe
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this is it okay nevermind
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we we do have some paperwork so keep all your paperwork if you can
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and then what we're going to do we're just going to go through here and see
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if we can find our information we're looking for
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I doubt it's going to be in here but we're gonna check anyway
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input voltage is 9 to 60 volts
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conception operating power consumption is less than
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they actually don't even have a suggestion for a fuse on this circuit
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so let's go ahead and write down operating is a point
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we could look and see if there's any way to find out what the
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gauge of the wire is again they just have it directly connected
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so this is 22 gauge so you might have to do a little bit of research so that's why I thought this
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video might really help you guys out because sometimes it's not shown so right here we got 22 gauge
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and since we have a new gauge in our chart let's um
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let's just uh copy this down and let's type in
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22 gauge so this is Max Amps for the wire
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you may have to rephrase your question in Google
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and current is also amps so it's a maximum current of 11 amps
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that's 20 gauge okay
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so 5 amps where is the chart
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so here's one 22 amps Max Amps for the wiring is seven
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so in this case uh let's do seven
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let's see if we got our Blue C systems one
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yeah I thought that's really high 0.92 amps
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okay so we're going to be using blade fuses which are the ATO or ATC fuse right here
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let's see if we can zoom in so we're using this blade fuse this is the Box we're using so it's
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designed for both ATO or ATC fuses so that's like a
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car fuse like you'd be in your car so for that one
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we have 12 but we don't have 22 on this list
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because it's it's a very skinny wire I don't I don't think we're gonna have it on here
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so for the 22 we're gonna go with a 5 amp fuse
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and I put a little question mark over here because I want to be able to reference a chart for you guys
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okay the Webasto here let's see here so we
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40. when you want to look at the manual
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okay so this is our manual for our heater and we're just going to go through here
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and look at our electrical so the heater connection is on page 24
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so we got 24 okay we have a install a fuse
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so f is 15 amps for 24 volt or 20 amps
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for 12. so we need a 20 amp fuse
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so now we've got to be careful when you're reading this you need to take all the information and
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then kind of distill it down to exactly what they're talking about so it says 20 amps for 12 volt
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okay but now we're going to come down here and it says the airtop Evo requires 10
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amps at 12 volts so we need something that can provide 10
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amps so where it says requires that is really important
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for your wire sizing
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but it comes with a wiring harness so for this application
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you wouldn't have to really worry about that because they've already properly sized The Wire now you've just got to
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plug it in and Infuse the
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fuse the circuit so it needs 10 amps so let's see here
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operating amps is 10
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this is 10 amps the wire size
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so Rex recommended a fuse at 20 amps
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so from this little chart we can maybe guess that it's a 14 gauge wire I'm going to see if I can actually see what
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it says it is so this is not my wire this is the wire that comes in the kit from wilbasto
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yeah so I'm just looking at it right now
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so it appears to be 14 gauge but it doesn't say it on there
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but it's the exact size as my 14 gauge so we will call this a 14 gauge
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which makes sense because a 14 gauge can do 15.
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and 10 amps 20 amp uh
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so there's a place where two fuses in the line
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okay we'll double check that too let's do a little question mark there
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okay so isotherm fridge operating amps so we're just going to do 15 amps with a
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question mark sorry this is all turning into code but we'll we'll clean this up
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I just like doing this from scratch and then later I'll clean it up to make make sense it's good to kind of talk through it
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um and this was cool you can just kind of make some of this we just we just made this up
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okay so assuming that we're going to pull the max size right before uh the
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fuse needed let's just say this 15 amps um which it definitely should operate below that
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but we're just we're putting in worst case scenario over here okay because
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remember Max of 60 amps is that's all that we can suck out of the
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service to this fuse panel we got to ensure that when we operate all these devices with the fridge
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running the heater is running the hub's running we're charging up our laptops we got all the lights on in the van we're washing
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dishes we got some friends outside the lights on um you know somebody's charging their
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phone so for example we need to make sure that if all this stuff is happening at the
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same time we're not going to overload our circuit uh so let me hide this down here and
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let's say hide this down here so the total
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we're going to estimated
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total estimated amps okay total estimated amps
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let's see it's got 15 25 26 27 28 29
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so let's just round up we'll say 37.
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so we're doing pretty good we have some room for some more circuits
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so let me let's pull this down let's see 9 10 11 12. so we've got 10
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so this this is open uh
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so these these are not used so for example let's just say that we put in
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um so we got 37 47 57 67
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[Music] so we could get away with maybe like three more like 10 more amp circuits
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are four or five amp circuits so there's this kind of a way to to think about it
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but this look this is what we're looking at for our 12 volt system
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and last but not least I'm going to pull up I'm actually going to pull this up so you guys can see it
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oh actually I'll just show you so this is the Blue Sea Systems St blade fuse block 12 circuits with cover and
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negative bus that is two things that you need to make sure you get when you buy this
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is the uh cover and the negative bus because you if you
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if you buy this it's a description Sometimes It's Tricky so you can you can
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buy this like this it'll have no cover on it and
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this uh top part right here will be covered so you'll only get the positive
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and the blade circuit so what we want is we want the negative up here
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because we want to be able to run our we want to have our negative cable up here and our positive down here
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coming from the power system and then that way it's really easy for
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us to wire our our positive line here and then our negative line right here
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um and it'll just uh it makes life easier
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Plus on this it'll come with see it clicks this on so nothing's going
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to short circuit on it it's nice clean so this will go underneath the kitchen galley
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and they even give you a little sticker pack so that you can write what the circuit is
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so I enjoyed this and I've used it before I used a smaller version I haven't used
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it this is a bigger version but they're the same thing and then what it's going to show you
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here is it has a schematic on how everything works
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so how you're supposed to wire it up but I'll be with you guys wiring this up
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when we get to that point
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all right if you want to find components like this and other items make sure you guys check out our DIY van build cheat
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sheet it's completely free and it's essentially an Excel sheet kind of like what we're making today but it's all the
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products that I bought off Amazon for the past three years it has electrical items
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we have Fasteners HVAC Roofing solar and tools include also including the water
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system so for example check this out there we go we got the water pump that we just showed you guys today
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if we go back up to electrical let's see where is it
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uh we get a Bluetooth system fuse block so this is actually what we're using for
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providing the power to charge the DC to DC charger from the engine batteries that's on there
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so it's a really convenient way to look and have links to the products uh that
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I'm showing you guys on the channel all in one spot again it's completely free just put your name and email
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address here click download now it's going to come straight to your inbox and it'll definitely help you out
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if you're starting from scratch or you've been building it's just a good list that's already been vetted by me I
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use the products they're on the list so you don't really have to worry about it
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and that is a DIY vimlet cheat sheet you can also go to vanbuilderhq.com or you
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can click on the link in the description below all right so we made our chart we got a
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couple of things that we need to improve on so I need to get some questions answered over here
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uh talk about some links to maybe a calculator and
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when we actually hook everything up I'm going to show you how to take a multimeter and go through and see how
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much current that the devices actually uh pulling
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then that way you can kind of understand your stuff that you're putting in your van um
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because again these are recommended few sizes so this is a good place to start
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sometimes it's oversized for the circuit so if the if the component is running at
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a lower current and you want a little bit more protection you may come down
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in a few size um but it's up to you on what you want to
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do recommend fuse is a great way to begin and then you find out how your units
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operating but if the manufacturer is telling you 7.5 Max and I recommend a few size that
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is what you want to go with once again if you guys have any
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questions you can definitely anytime we're doing a live stream ask during our live stream and put those questions as
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them that'll definitely help them out uh also if they have any questions happy to uh hear that on the channel last but not
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least I'm looking into putting together a course on either electrical or some
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other things let's see uh see what I posted really quick I forgot what my question was
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all right so we have um yeah thinking about making a course what
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topic would you like me to cover the most so do you guys like information and
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of course that would be insulation walls and flooring of course on Electric off-grid Power
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Systems another one would be plumbing and water systems
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or installing a van interior so things such as kitchen cabinets bed system kitchen
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Galley Etc so let me know your thoughts there's a poll right now if you're catching the
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live stream live make sure you guys vote on that poll let me know what you're looking forward to and I'll start working on that course
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and uh yeah so that is going to do it for our live stream tonight I hope you guys enjoyed it don't worry we are
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letting our panels dry over here we'll kick back uh next on our floor we'll continue that
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process we got everything we need um I even bought
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an electric caulk gun because man going through all those tubes enough
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adhesive uh Sam gets some uh power tools for that
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but um yeah I'll let you know how this one does if you guys are interested in buying it uh
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about that'll be it for the live stream hope you guys enjoyed it and we'll see you in