Design your van to fit your appliances and gear
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May 2, 2025
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hey everyone welcome back to the live stream tonight we're talking about designing your van to fit your appliances and gear so whenever you're
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working on or you're getting ready to buy a van do a DIY build or you're even
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looking to uh not do a DIY and buy something that's already done you want
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to know how that is going to affect how your stuff fits in your van also the
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stuff that you want to have put in your van such as you know like the microwave uh the refrigerator um even a cooler
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that's on maybe like a drawer heavy duty drawer slide in the back of your van there's a lot of stuff you want in your van some gear you want to bring with you
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on those camping trips uh and driving across the US so in this video we're going to start uh right off by looking
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at a drawing that I put together so let me get my to my computer
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here yeah we're going to kick it off this is a drawing that I've put together I was working on it today and I had the
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idea of doing a live stream for you guys so I could walk through uh the ideas why they were fresh in my head so this is
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how I do a proposal uh for a van build so if you were coming to me and we were talking about all the stuff that we want
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to put in your van by doing a simple sketch you know nothing fancy in the computer because we
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may change it quite uh frequently but a sketch just to see if what you want is
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possible uh with the allotted space that is a cargo van so you have limited amount of
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space and to be able to fit all that stuff in there you have to have a pretty
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tight plan going forward now when you get in the initial stages of sketching
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it up it can be pretty loose but what I've done here is uh the requirements
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that we've put together for the proposal that is an isotherm uh 130
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fridge and we have like a trolino toilet composting toilet we have some Ikea
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overhead storage we have a particular microwave uh particular bed height
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because of the ability to uh not the ability but the desire to have a bicycle
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or mountain bike storage underneath the Ved the bed so when you have all of this
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stuff happening you got to lock it in to see if it's even possible that those
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things will actually fit together so it's kind of like a puzzle kind of like playing with Legos a
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little bit of both um so I'm going to start off by showing you my approach to
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this and we're do we're going to do a couple of screens here
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uh I'm going mainly talk to you about this on the drawing pad over here so I'm
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going to be able to draw on this and show you how I sketched it out and then
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I've got a camera over here on my desk and I'm going to hop over there really quick we're not going to use this as an
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example CU I don't think the uh the image is clear enough but I
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wanted to show you that this right here is just a uh piece
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of grid paper you can get it from like Michaels or something like that um so
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it's grided paper and this is a 17 in by 22 in
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uh with a 4x4 grid that's how big this is and that's how how the grid is now
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what I do is I take the uh 4x4 grid and I will make the 4x4 grid represent a
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foot so 12 Ines so if we go two blocks we got six
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in we got four blocks we got 12 in you know one block is 3 by3 3 by3 inches and
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you can see that by doing that we can do a uh kind of like an engineering view
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of a side view of our van so this is the driver's seat we have a little jump seat
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here we've got a little stack with a microwave the isotherm refrigerator some
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storage area right here we have our bed height at 36 in for the mountain bike
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situation uh we've got a mattress 6 in thick mattress and and the support member
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being uh an inch and a half currently I'll to explain why these are so precise
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here in just a second um there's also a request to have some overhead storage on the driver's side and then
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what we do is we translate this and we come down and this is kind of back in the day
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how you would do engineering drawings it's still done today they're mostly done on a computer but as you can see
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all we do is we just come down down and now we have a overhead view so this is
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the overhead of the van so in the front here we've got the two seats we got a driver and a
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passenger seat now this is just a rough you know approximation of this seat
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location um once it gets past this dotted line everything is to scale so
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this one is to scale and this one is to scale these little bump outs are those
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pillars right behind where like the seat belts are mounted up on the van and then what we've done is we've
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come back and we've stop where this dotted line is because I like to work from the back of
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the van to the front um there's really I've never had a situation where you know kind of starting the front going to
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the back works because the back doors you want to have everything right up to those back doors such as the bed for
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example and then have your uh your data point or your beginning point start from
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the back and go this way so in this van proposal we have the
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bed going uh north to south so no need for doing bump outs or anything like
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that the bed is going this direction so they're either going to sleep with their
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heads up here you know maybe feet down here that sort of thing um but for this
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particular reason uh was uh to have this
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layout and bed position so that's what we're doing now over here we have some
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overhead storage and we have that coming off the wall um about 15 in and this is so that
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we can accommodate these Ikea uh storage boxes now this is not
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the end result of this whole entire project I'm probably going to change this up there'll be different suggestions uh during this whole process
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but you need to start with something so over here we do we do want a shelf but
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you know what are we going to do with this shelf I mean what products are we going to put here is it going to be Ikea is there going to be boxes from Target
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so this can change but what you need to do when you're starting to plan your van layout is just start with something get
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something that's fixed and uh so my recommendation is the
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bed start with the bed now your your something could change
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let's say maybe you had a partition wall here for some reason you had a crew van completely get it it might change the
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layout but for this uh video today we're just going to start with the bed so we
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know we want uh queen siiz bed um we
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know we want a minimum of you know 72 to 74 in long for the length of the bed to
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accommodate sleeping north to south which is your head over here and your feet right
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here um so the bed's there but now how high do we want the bed we know how far
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forward and back we can go we're going all the way back and then we got 72 in here we're doing uh since we have this
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next we need to position the bed at its height so typically depending on what
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bikes you have but you know an an a good average is 36 in our good starting point
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for a to accommodate mountain bikes is 36
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in from the floor to the bottom of the bed once you have this fixed that's your
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bed platform now everything here adds to
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itself and uh we're going to go and draw once I get into these numbers we're going to start which I guess I'm doing
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right now I'm going to change and go to the computer let me see if there's anything else uh before I leave the desk here so
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start with a piece of graph paper find out the dimensions of your products for example your your fridge um this one uh
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they like to have it actually elevated so it's easier to open and close provides storage down here a spot for a
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microwave up here so we have a microwave Dimension we've got refrigerator Dimension storage we have a composting
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toilet Dimension here um we're putting it inside here this
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jump seat so that you can open it whenever you need to go close it it's nice and concealed and then what we've
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done is we go across to the kitchen Galley we've got a Reva
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sink some work area right here and then when I get on the computer I'm going to
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explain to you how the dimension of a fridge the door opening distance
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minimum and the uh the width right here
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of the kitchen Galley or the the length and the width I'm sorry the depth and the
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length um how all this stuff plays in together so let's hop on the computer
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and we're going to zoom into all these measurements and I'm going to show you why it's critical to find out what you
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want or what you think is going to go in the van along with your gear to help you with your van
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layout
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all right so before we keep going if you guys have any questions we've got the
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chat open and uh I'm ready to take any guys any questions um it'd be great if
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it was on the topic of stuff you wanted to fit in your van and maybe getting some uh questions to me on how you would
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like to do that if you have any questions um but if you have other questions that are other not related
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relateded to live stream tonight completely cool put those in the chat and uh I'll be happy to ask answer them
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for you all right so we're on the computer here and we're going to hop on over to
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the drawing pad and we're going to check out get
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some coffee here all right we're going to look at
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our where I started over there on the table
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and let me move the
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camera all right so what we have here is let's start in what color we want to
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start with so I'm going to do this pink color
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and this is going to show us stuff that we can't move so stuff that's
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fixed so the First Dimension that we have fixed is uh we have
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our isotherm refrigerator we have
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our microwave the size of the microwave we have the footprint for the
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trolino composting toilet uh we're going to do a dotted
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line here just to represent that the bed height is
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fixed so it's something that we we can't change because one of the requirements
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is that we can fit uh a set of bikes underneath the
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garage when we get to the uh kitchen Galley over here we'll talk about this a
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fixed uh item is the rava
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sink get that a little bit more precise the
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revati the trino like we have in the other drawing and then the isotherm and in
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this case on this drawing we are concerned about the depth so how far in the cabinet is the
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refrigerator all right so now that we have each one of these items identified
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and stuff that we want in the van and but we got to figure out where it's going to go so since our bed is pretty
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much checked off we've decided on a 6 in mat 6 in
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mattress so again all of our numbers are starting to come together we have 36 in for the bikes we got 6 in for the
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mattress then we're going to have an inch and a half for this uh subframe of
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the bed what we need to hold the bed
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and uh but we need to give that a dimension so we know what it is the reason that uh I'm putting all this in
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in here is because the next thing you're want to ask yourself
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is with all the cool stuff I'm putting in my van can I still uh sit up in
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bed so right now we have 33.5 in um I only need 33 in I think to be
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able to sit in the bed without my head touching the top and I'm 6 feet
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tall everyone's different but essentially you want to make sure that you're able
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to uh sit in the bed so like if this is you you're hanging out in the bed you
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want to make sure you can sit in there comfortably and then before you know it
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what you've done is you've defined where everything goes so you've
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got this right here for the the bike you've got this section for your bed and
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then you have this section for just being comfortable being able to sit sit
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up in bed so that takes care of our
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height now let's talk about our our width of these items so the first thing
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we're going to look at is this right here so this one is your sleeping
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length so if you want to sprawl out you want to go head to toe and not be
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cramped this number is what's important to you so this one in this case is 72 in
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and that is based off of a bunch of different
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factors so Factor one is we have a fixed uh we have a fridge width that is fixed
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so that fridge width includes a number of things it includes the support members on the left
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and right the paneling and the fridge itself so once all that is put together
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you're going to have a value right here
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um and I think that's like 20.9 for example for the uh the
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isotherm so let's just call it 21 and then you got inch and a half on each side for support So
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24 so you got 24 in right here for your width so now we've got 72 we've got 24
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the next thing we're going to do is we need to check out our jump
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seat so I'm going to go and pull something off the internet really
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quick see if I can find it
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and this is where you want to start to kind of play around with ergonomics and in here do you see I've
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circled it we got 18 in so if I go to my computer I want to
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type in standard seat height and all of a sudden you'll get a bunch of images uh and suggestions on
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you know what is the ideal seat height um there's going to be all kinds of
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stuff from like dining room table couch chair office chair all that type of stuff so what we want to do is we want
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to merge these kind of Two Worlds together we want to merge like ergonomics versus uh with the products
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that we want in our van so for example um let me just find this trolino
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again not sponsored it's uh just happens to be something that I think is what we may
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have to go with in this uh proposal just because of the dimensions use case that
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sort of thing um but let's go ahead let's hop
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over here here's the trino very simple composting toilet I've
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I never actually used this or or tried this but as far as I can see it's uh
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very simple the the the dimensions are pretty um I'm excited about them because
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they're a very clean Square design which lends itself uh and this
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happens to be the Evo L uh 5.2 gallon
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capacity anyway that's not what this is what we want the width depth height uh
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don't really care about weight so we take these numbers and then we take our ergonomic
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numbers so for example let's look at this
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chair so this is a chair off of Walmart um we don't care that it's from Walmart
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we want to look at these numbers so let's start to see a theme we got 18 and a 12 Ines 18 and2 we've got 17 and 38
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for the depth we've got a 238 23 in for the back back uh height off the ground
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is 18 12 in so kind of start making notes and checking this off and then what you want to do is Hop on over to
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your drawing and start plugging and chugging these numbers so right here we want to
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um let me do this in green so right here we want
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our the trolino is let's see
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here
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trino my camera working it
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doing uh 16.9 so trino is
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16.9 this Walmart seat is 18
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A5 all right so let's go back to our drawing and right here
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so look right here we need to make we have a third consideration that is the sofa
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cushion uh thickness so we've got 172 is what I
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came up with for the height which will fit the trilo in there you know nice half inch piece uh three half inch piece
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of plywood will cover it so we might you know make this a little bit bigger but
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you kind of get my point so 172 is right here and then we want uh 3 in for the
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cushion for this jump seat which will be hinged and now that gives us a final
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seat height of 20.5 in and I know I'm kind of getting into
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the Weeds on this but uh it makes a difference if you ever sat down on something where somebody did not give
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the calculations you're at some a friend's house and they made like a custom bench or or something and it just doesn't feel
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comfortable to sit on cuz it's too high or too low that's why these numbers matter so what I did is what is I typed
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in what is the max standard seat height and for example a dining chair is 18 to
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23 in so we've got some room so as long as it's not over 23 in it's probably not
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going to feel weird to sit down on so when we come back over here and we
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look at our uh seat height if we need a little bit more clearance for the trino we could change
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that 17.5 to 18 and then bring our seat height with the cushion up to 21 in and
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then that is going to give us a standard seat height so what about the uh this
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direction well we look at our trino which is 13 in
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wide we add 3 in for our you know plywood making the
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box and stuff like that so we have 16 and then let's just give us a little bit more room to move around 18 in and let's
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look and see if that will fit with our uh our chair so we'll go back over
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here to the right here so 18 in so check it out this chair that you would buy is
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18 and2 in I'm sorry 17 and 38 so call it 18 so
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we know that we're probably going to be comfortable just like a chair that we bought from the store so that is the theory
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behind uh having this having these measurements to design something so it's
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comfortable so once you do that you'll know exactly how thick you can make your
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seat cushions so that when your friend family come over and they're hanging out
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in your van it feels like a seat and it doesn't feel like you made something to hide a toilet it feels like a
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comfortable seat that just happens to have a hidden toilet inside so that's the ergonomics
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there and now we can move even forward more uh closer in the van and let's we
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need to measure turned around so this is the driver's seat of a Ford
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Transit and it is to scale so this box down here where you see this little
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angle uh this whole thing is drawn to scale
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so this Dimension here get back to Blue so we have this
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Dimension pin's messing up we got this Dimension here and this
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is where we can't fix what this is going to be measured but we can see if it's if
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we need to change anything behind it and so we found that this is uh 21
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in and it's that's pretty good it's almost 2 feet
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so you can do one final check so even though you can't do anything about it here I'm going to show
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I'm going show you one more thing that I I've done on another van which happens to be in my personal
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van this is where this is what I was doing when I was laying uh doing the layout for
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it and you go standard
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uh restaurant Booth size and then we're going to go to we
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got our images and now we can click on this and
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check it out so if you go to a restaurant diner something that has
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booths in it maybe even Waffle House you can see
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that this is uh 24 to 36
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in give me one second here cut that off
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okay so you say it's 24 to 36 in so 24 would be the min
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minimum and that's okay it's okay if it's a minimum because we're in a van so
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sometimes you have to make compromises which is all right but we're at 21 in it's not that bad that is pretty good
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for the fact that we got the uh let me come down here so we got the bed length
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that we wanted we've got the minimum distance to put our fridge in we've got a comfortable seat that's appropriately
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sized we do do have two inches here that we can uh remove
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but that would give us 23 so we'd be even closer to having you a
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normal uh table experience or dinet
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experience so that's the theory behind that now let's hop up here to the top
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left before we move to the next photo so up here on the top left we have
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uh we've got these Ikea boxes we just do these in
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Orange so you can play around you can maybe get a get some graph paper you know cut out little pieces almost like
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Legos like puzzle pieces and you know make things to scale and then just start
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to kind of play around to see where things are going to fit in the van so if we're looking at this we've
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got 1 2 3 four five Ikea boxes again this doesn't have to be Ikea it can be
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anything the reason that I'm talking about this is we need to start with a dimension to get things going you can
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always go back and resize because what's most important and let's see here right
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I'm going to change the orange because I'm going to use that for the most important so let's just make
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this let's make this purple all right so we got our Ikea
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boxes Ikea boxes are 13 in by 13
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in by 15 in
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deep so we've got that now let's talk about important Dimensions so we have a
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door we have a door back here on the back of the van and that door is going to have us you know stop putting boxes
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in here we're g to run out of room so try to find out where that is find out how many boxes you want up here as much
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as you can put at that whatever design you have and then find out where you're stopping point is because you're going
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to need some work wiggle room back here to be able to shut the door and not have it you know get in the
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way yeah now take that and now we want to
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start uh making the van you know look like we built it on purpose so what
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we're going to do is we're going to take these lines right
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here and we want to uh or this is just my opinion so we
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want to have these lines come out into our other side where
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our kitchen gley is and it makes things feel nice and uniform um you know this
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kitchen G is not going way out here it's not cut off and short over here uh we
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have these nice clean lines with the seats so when we come in the van we come
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over here you know everything is nice and it just looks
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professional okay so this is our refrigerator and our jump
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seat over here for this particular proposal and so that's fixed that's
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exactly where we want it can't move it we'll pull this line down here that's our bed that's exactly where we want it
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we can't move it we come over here and this is just a visual uh to show us
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where our our 15inch depth of our Ikea
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boxes are coming out just so you know that you know if there if the person is sleeping over
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here another person's over here that they're aware that you know that's up
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there which might be fine because on the back on this uh drawing
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back here we've we have 16.5 in of room
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to sleep underneath this if you had to I mean if you had to really get under
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it 16 and half inches is is very comfortable you just have to be
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cognizant when you wake up that this is here but there's always a give and
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take um if you don't want something like this like a hard shelf um I like the
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hard shelves because you can structurally you can make them structural to where they can hold a lot
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of weight so you can put some heavy items up here whereas you know soft bags you know they may may droop or do that
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sort of thing um so let's come back over here and since this is now fixed we're
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kind of completing the layout uh we'll look at our driver's seat you
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know can't do anything about that that's fixed we've got our passenger seat fixed so we'll come over to our kitchen
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Galley and we'll see where do we want this kitchen Galley and there's two numbers that are very
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important one is you know what what is your minimum
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entrance width that you will be okay with if you can really push this to
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limits I think it's a very uh it's it's a great way to really
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get more room inside the van um most of these are either minimum
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of 24 and greater you know maybe 24 30
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in and that really cuts into the space that uh you wouldn't have right here so
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your your sink would be very small you'd have a very small area trying to keep this nice and
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open so in my opinion if you can keep this small in a perfect world I wouldn't go
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less than 20 in in this particular example I got really specific
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and we're taking the dimensions we're we're taking this as
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our our kind of end point CU we I want this I want this
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Line This visual line to come through the van because it's going to make this
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area look nice and uniform and open if this came in here it's going to be way
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too tight the opposite is if we ended the kitchen Galley here the van is going
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to be nice and open but we're sacrificing space that
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uh it's not necessary so we're going to make sure that this stays
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uh we can do
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a so this is a four Transit 148 High roof uh not extended so I guess that was
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probably the most important thing to say I need to put that at the beginning of the video um and that's so that's what we're
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working with Transit High
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roof and this is not
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extended it's not extended so if you're working with that
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you're going to have 72 in for your bed you're going to have a maximum of 41
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in for your kitchen Galley and then 20 inches for your
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entrance if the kitchen Galley is on this side
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now we got one more thing to talk about and I'll be open for
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questions so what we want to talk about here is this is going to give us a
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401 in kitchen Galley which will give us 20 inches to
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come in and we're going to do a revati sink so that's a that's a dimension that we
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know from the manufacturer so we know that this is 15 in wide 20 in
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long and before we decide how big our kitchen Gall can be or how wide it can
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be we have one critical measurement that is extremely important so I'm going to use orange for that and that is the door
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for the refrigerator we have to make sure that the refrigerator can
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open now the refrigerator is in here and it has a
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minimum if this thing is pushed all the way back to the van there's a position where this has to
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be and then this will be as far back as you can push it this way so we found out what that
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is which is 24 in the face so this face right here is 24 in
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away from the wall of the van that's as far back as you can go for
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with the isotherm Cru 130 and a for Transit because there's this supporting member right here that you can't get
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past so we got 24 we've measured our door opening it's
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19.5 in so whatever's left right here that is
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how that's the maximum depth of your kitchen
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Galley and so you can kind of see how all these measurements start to to stack on one another to see if you're actually
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able to put in what you want in your
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van so this question mark we found that out that it needs to be um we're going
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to do 21 in and this will allow us to have a half
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inch uh Gap here and then we have a half
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inch I say Gap we got half inch in front of the sink and a/ inch behind behind
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the sink and that's as that's as shallow as we can go where it doesn't look
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weird so now that we've done that um that's pretty much it so that is the way
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you can look at let me get back to my face
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here there we go so that's a way that you can take uh a piece of grid paper you can
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lay out all your dimensions of your van and you can try to figure out how you're going to take all the stuff that you
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want all the appliances you want your gear appliances um clothes all that and fit
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it in the spaces that uh you think you are going to be able to fit because it
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the uh it's actually easier the more products you pick out so if you know what your microwave is your fridge your
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sink um you know your your portable toilet um if
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you know those things the more hard Dimensions that you have your bed size uh you want to sleep north and west or E
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east and west or north and south when you get those measurements you can put them
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into the drawing like like I did over here and you can really find out uh
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what's going to work for you or what's going to fit and what's not going to fit
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so yeah let me know if you guys uh that are watching if you guys have any questions um yeah I just wanted to walk
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through this why it was fresh my mind it can get kind of overwhelming when you start to uh work on your van
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because uh once you start making commitments and you're cutting pieces of wood you're doing stuff to your material
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that you can't undo uh you might get ahead of youread of yourself so driver's seat and then
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you go back and you forget that
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uh you forget how it's actually going to end up looking and that's one thing I
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forgot to tell you on here so let's use this orange pen if you notice right here
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uh I've got a even 3 in border around these boxes so this
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right here around the boxes is 3 in and this is where the Aesthetics come
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into play so this is this is sizing it up to let us know how this is going to look when
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we're actually finishing this part now those 3 in here on top and bottom
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they're going to take away from this sleeping height so just be
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aware about making stuff look good it changes it might change stuff in another area but to make it look good we we
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stretch it across where the microwave is and we're pretty much doing what they
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call picture framing so we're picture framing this whole you know Kitchen Gallery setup and
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we're doing that so that everything looks very professional and that we actually had a plan Planned approach to
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this
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layout see if there's anything else I wanted to talk about on this
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yeah that is pretty much it so I'm going to talk about a couple more things here
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uh as we're ending the live stream first thing I want to show you guys over here on the computer is the
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DIY van build cheat sheet if you're not familiar with the DIY van build cheat sheet it's a curated Excel sheet that I
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put together over the last three years of all my Amazon purchases stuff that I use in the shop tools um all kinds of
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things so here's a look at it we've got storage equipment electrical a lot of uh
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Renegy blue SE systems uh some victron components uh some touch switches with
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stepless dimming uh which is really cool we've got Fasteners this is a lot
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of stuff that I use when I do use 020 in the van um HVAC you know Max fan uh SAR
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brackets heaters um you know re a shelf as some cool things where these are pull
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out uh kitchen organizers we got Roofing solar panels uh the most important thing
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on here uh I believe is the tools so every single tool on this list I use in
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the shop to build Vans every day and we actually have a uh a blog
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post that's uh coming soon talking about these tools and why they're
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important um but for now you can download this list it's completely free you just come here put your name in
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email address it goes straight to your inbox and it'll definitely help you out
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with looking at products you know there's stuff that it's stuff that I've bought and I've looked at it it's stuff
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that I've used so I think it'll really help you out just go to uh VOR hq.com put your name
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and email address click download it'll come straight to your inbox you can also click the link in the description below
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to uh get get to this page as
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well and then last but not least let's talk about my van Building Company
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Odyssey custom vans so the van behind me is the one that I'm wrapping up on and
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uh we actually took it to adventur Van Expo in chattanoga Tennessee to show it off we did a quick walk around video if
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you guys want to watch that on our YouTube channel van Builder HQ we walk through the outside inside
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showed you guys uh the interior system from Adventure wagon a lot of Flatline
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vanco components are in this build uh a lot of bamboo uh powdercoated aluminum
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uh robust power system as well as uh 420 watts of solar Up on the Roof got the
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dtic RTX 2000 AC unit as well with as a w basto airtop
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40 uh gasoline heater so it's actually directly connected to the auxiliary port
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of the Ford transits gasoline tank itself down here in the bottom we've got all the details the uh you know the
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vehicle base the offgrid power system that we developed for it the interior system the kitchen Galley couple of
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safety items but if you guys are interested in this van take a look at all the photos so this is the photos
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from the meantime until I finished making the complete walkthrough video of this build but you can kind of comb
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through these check it out if you guys are interested in purchasing this van you can contact me at Odyssey sales
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Odyssey customs.com that is also uh my contact phone number the easiest way to
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connect with me is click on this button right here it says click here to schedule a call it's going to bring you
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up to a calendar link and you can go select the day that you're available you can even select the time that works best
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for you it's going to pop up on my calendar it's the easiest way and best way to get in touch with me if you are
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looking to get a personal van build done this is the best way uh there's some instructions over here on the left stuff
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to get ready for before they call but if you are interested in the van that I just showed you use that link schedule a
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call with me and I'll be happy to tell you more about the van all right guys well that is going to
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do it for our live stream tonight I hope this video helps you out with planning how to get the stuff that you want in
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your van all your gear your appliances uh kind of an approach to help you uh do
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your layout of your van so you can kind of really get the van that you want um and the stuff that you want in it if you
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have any questions uh related to that you can always put those in the comments in the comment section below I'll be
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happy to read those make sure you guys are subscribed to the channel give us a thumbs up if you liked it and then share
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this video to anyone who needs help with uh organizing their van doing a van
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layout or van floor pan van floor plan uh I think it'll really help him out and
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uh until next time we'll see you guys on the next live
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